Comments on: Health Care Bill IS Trojan Horse http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/ Exploring idiocy in American politics, the economy, and beyond. About idiocy, hopefully not idiocy Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:41:26 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: deward http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/#comment-348 deward Mon, 27 Jul 2009 21:49:30 +0000 http://anamericanidiot.wordpress.com/?p=1022#comment-348 Good article. It is lying, lying, lying to state that the proposed solution will do more than bankrupt america. Wait, we already are. Do they understand basic macro economic principles? Wait, they don't. Anyway, the slickness to the Obama ability to sell and lie, both comforts us--as he is best hope for calming and avoiding economic panic-- and sickens those of us awake. Continue in same health system? Well, the trick is to increase competition of care (not insurance) providers, perhaps against the private sector by building a few self insured hospitals and clinics, possibly income based, would bring down costs across the board, without a take over. Why do people only see getting into the insurance end as anything but putting the government solely on business end of collecting more money? But it is a take over that is needed to totally entrap the average joe, who will become a fugitive if he can't afford to pay. Every law, unread legelese, not written or read by the those that govern, but those that pay for the govenors. Good article.

It is lying, lying, lying to state that the proposed solution will do more than bankrupt america. Wait, we already are. Do they understand basic macro economic principles? Wait, they don’t. Anyway, the slickness to the Obama ability to sell and lie, both comforts us–as he is best hope for calming and avoiding economic panic– and sickens those of us awake.

Continue in same health system? Well, the trick is to increase competition of care (not insurance) providers, perhaps against the private sector by building a few self insured hospitals and clinics, possibly income based, would bring down costs across the board, without a take over. Why do people only see getting into the insurance end as anything but putting the government solely on business end of collecting more money? But it is a take over that is needed to totally entrap the average joe, who will become a fugitive if he can’t afford to pay.

Every law, unread legelese, not written or read by the those that govern, but those that pay for the govenors.

]]> By: Reggie Greene / The Logistician http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/#comment-335 Reggie Greene / The Logistician Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:23:59 +0000 http://anamericanidiot.wordpress.com/?p=1022#comment-335 We have a tendency in America to argue for or against a concept based on our own personal philosophy or view of the world, what advances our personal interests, or the interests of our party, family, organization, or region. Perhaps viewing the issue from a management or systemic perspective might result in innovative approaches to the issue. The American national mindset, citizen philosophy, lack of citizen motivation to be proactively healthy, and governance model make the socialization of health care in America very problematic, particularly at this point in time. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/nsxqu6" rel="nofollow">A country needs to know its limitations</a>. We have a tendency in America to argue for or against a concept based on our own personal philosophy or view of the world, what advances our personal interests, or the interests of our party, family, organization, or region. Perhaps viewing the issue from a management or systemic perspective might result in innovative approaches to the issue. The American national mindset, citizen philosophy, lack of citizen motivation to be proactively healthy, and governance model make the socialization of health care in America very problematic, particularly at this point in time. A country needs to know its limitations.

]]> By: Charles Clark, Sr., M.D. http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/#comment-334 Charles Clark, Sr., M.D. Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:23:15 +0000 http://anamericanidiot.wordpress.com/?p=1022#comment-334 I likely did misinterpret your blog and your motives. Briefly, I would like to see Basic Healthcare provided to every resident. A plan to offer two tier coverage is possible. One, to guarantee basic care which would cover emergent/urgent care and Two, a supplemental coverage plan that would cover costs over and above basic. I would like to see quality issues and utilization of services issues monitored strigently and accountability shifted to healthcare providers. If you have an interest read my website. Click on healtcare and go to Basic Healthcare to get my views. I have not stayed current on keeping my website updated. It's easy to say I don't have time. And I really don't of late. I am convinced that the savings from adequate control of utilization and quality of care will offset the cost of any reform plan that provides care for the uninsured and the underinsured. Thank you for your response to my comment. Charles Clark I likely did misinterpret your blog and your motives. Briefly, I would like to see Basic Healthcare provided to every resident. A plan to offer two tier coverage is possible. One, to guarantee basic care which would cover emergent/urgent care and Two, a supplemental coverage plan that would cover costs over and above basic.

I would like to see quality issues and utilization of services issues monitored strigently and accountability shifted to healthcare providers.

If you have an interest read my website. Click on healtcare and go to Basic Healthcare to get my views. I have not stayed current on keeping my website updated. It’s easy to say I don’t have time. And I really don’t of late.

I am convinced that the savings from adequate control of utilization and quality of care will offset the cost of any reform plan
that provides care for the uninsured and the underinsured.

Thank you for your response to my comment.

Charles Clark

]]> By: chris smith http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/#comment-333 chris smith Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:53:43 +0000 http://anamericanidiot.wordpress.com/?p=1022#comment-333 pages of bill to read and question 420, 424-5, 783, 818. questions....pages 627, 676, 780? pages of bill to read and question 420, 424-5, 783, 818.

questions….pages 627, 676, 780?

]]> By: anamericanidiot http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/#comment-330 anamericanidiot Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:08:53 +0000 http://anamericanidiot.wordpress.com/?p=1022#comment-330 Dr. Clark, You're not reading me correctly. I am in favor of change but <i>not</i> national health insurance. I would like to see tort reform, loser pays malpractice, physician accountability (open searchable records on malpractice convictions/settlements), and a change in the current system that makes Americans subsidize medicines for the rest of the world. There may be other good suggestions out there but nationalized health care isn't good. I have lived under it in Belgium. Taxes are outrageous to pay for the bloated system, despite liberal denials there is a waiting list for many tests and procedures. I especially fear denial of service that results in these system. My wife successfully fought Kaiser to get a better cancer treatment, she successfully fought them to get an MRI when she suspected something the doctor said was unnecessary AND they FOUND SOMETHING. I wrote about all this in my post <i>The Boy Who Cried Wolf</i> so I did not want to bloat this essay by repeating all that. Thanks for writing. I'd love to hear what <i>you</i> think the solution is. I have <b>never</b> spoken to a doctor who favored a government insurance program. Especially a single payer system like this one is designed to become. In spite of the blatant lies Obama keep repeating page 16 makes it clear this WILL be a single payer system. Dr. Clark, You’re not reading me correctly. I am in favor of change but not national health insurance. I would like to see tort reform, loser pays malpractice, physician accountability (open searchable records on malpractice convictions/settlements), and a change in the current system that makes Americans subsidize medicines for the rest of the world. There may be other good suggestions out there but nationalized health care isn’t good. I have lived under it in Belgium. Taxes are outrageous to pay for the bloated system, despite liberal denials there is a waiting list for many tests and procedures. I especially fear denial of service that results in these system. My wife successfully fought Kaiser to get a better cancer treatment, she successfully fought them to get an MRI when she suspected something the doctor said was unnecessary AND they FOUND SOMETHING.

I wrote about all this in my post The Boy Who Cried Wolf so I did not want to bloat this essay by repeating all that.

Thanks for writing. I’d love to hear what you think the solution is. I have never spoken to a doctor who favored a government insurance program. Especially a single payer system like this one is designed to become. In spite of the blatant lies Obama keep repeating page 16 makes it clear this WILL be a single payer system.

]]> By: Charles Clark, Sr., M.D. http://anamericanidiot.net/2009/07/18/health-care-bill-is-trojan-horse/#comment-328 Charles Clark, Sr., M.D. Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:46:29 +0000 http://anamericanidiot.wordpress.com/?p=1022#comment-328 If I am reading this blog right, the author is in favor of coninuing the present healthcare system that's doomed for self-destruction because of the abuse of the system by health care providers: do more, whether it is medically necessary or not. You should read the article titled "The Cost Conundrum" for an example of what's happening all over the United States. Or better still come shadow me for a day in my role as a medical director for a large hospital system. It would not likely change your mind considering what I perceive as your status-quo belief. If I am reading this blog right, the author is in favor of coninuing the present healthcare system that’s doomed for self-destruction because of the abuse of the system by health care providers: do more, whether it is medically necessary or not.

You should read the article titled “The Cost Conundrum” for an example of what’s happening all over the United States. Or better still come shadow me for a day in my role as a medical director for a large hospital system. It would not likely change your mind considering what I perceive as your status-quo belief.

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